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	<title>Comments on: Philadelphia Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex Release Party! And how we almost got arrested</title>
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		<title>By: Art</title>
		<link>http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=1345&#038;cpage=1#comment-915</link>
		<dc:creator>Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course she over-reacted, but this just points out the minefield of hosting all ages events. Youth organizations deal with this all of the time and they have developed policies and protocols to deal with it.

I don&#039;t think you should change venues, abandon alcohol, or anything of the sort.

Just require kids under a certain age to be accompanied by an adult, responsible for them.  If you want to welcome kids, make it a family event, not a drop your kids off event.  Forget what happened, and focus on a more likely scenario.  Do you want to be responsible for somebody else&#039;s kids?  What if the event was over and mom hadn&#039;t shown up to pick him up?  Does The Drake even allow unaccompanied minors?  That makes YOU his responsible adult.  Is that what you planned on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course she over-reacted, but this just points out the minefield of hosting all ages events. Youth organizations deal with this all of the time and they have developed policies and protocols to deal with it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you should change venues, abandon alcohol, or anything of the sort.</p>
<p>Just require kids under a certain age to be accompanied by an adult, responsible for them.  If you want to welcome kids, make it a family event, not a drop your kids off event.  Forget what happened, and focus on a more likely scenario.  Do you want to be responsible for somebody else&#8217;s kids?  What if the event was over and mom hadn&#8217;t shown up to pick him up?  Does The Drake even allow unaccompanied minors?  That makes YOU his responsible adult.  Is that what you planned on?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=1345&#038;cpage=1#comment-911</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm... interesting.  While i don&#039;t blame the mom for leaving, i think she overreacted by calling the police. She could have waited a little longer though....

I guess it&#039;s not a good idea to hold release parties on Halloween. Our team held it&#039;s release party on Saturday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm&#8230; interesting.  While i don&#8217;t blame the mom for leaving, i think she overreacted by calling the police. She could have waited a little longer though&#8230;.</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s not a good idea to hold release parties on Halloween. Our team held it&#8217;s release party on Saturday.</p>
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		<title>By: jedijf</title>
		<link>http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=1345&#038;cpage=1#comment-910</link>
		<dc:creator>jedijf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In hindsight, I should have sent them into the restaurants to see the area that was reserved for us to wait.

Other, more &#039;normal&#039; folk may have arrived and alleviated any misconceptions that the mother may have had.

As far as my choice of costume; it&#039;s Halloween - Vampires, Freddy Krueger etc...

I ended up having a great time with a REAL minister and his son, and he (minister) even upgraded the next day.

Live and learn.

But, I do believe that she was justified.  If she felt her child was in harm&#039;s way, she was obligated to prevent others from whatever danger she sensed.

I was more taken back by the officer&#039;s (only one) attitude, but considering the call, and the fact that by the end of the interrogation I think he understood it was just ONE BIG MISUNDERSTANDING.

Makes great blog though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In hindsight, I should have sent them into the restaurants to see the area that was reserved for us to wait.</p>
<p>Other, more &#8216;normal&#8217; folk may have arrived and alleviated any misconceptions that the mother may have had.</p>
<p>As far as my choice of costume; it&#8217;s Halloween &#8211; Vampires, Freddy Krueger etc&#8230;</p>
<p>I ended up having a great time with a REAL minister and his son, and he (minister) even upgraded the next day.</p>
<p>Live and learn.</p>
<p>But, I do believe that she was justified.  If she felt her child was in harm&#8217;s way, she was obligated to prevent others from whatever danger she sensed.</p>
<p>I was more taken back by the officer&#8217;s (only one) attitude, but considering the call, and the fact that by the end of the interrogation I think he understood it was just ONE BIG MISUNDERSTANDING.</p>
<p>Makes great blog though!</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=1345&#038;cpage=1#comment-909</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm.

1. Advertise party.
2. Minor shows up.
3. Only two guys, one in a satanic priest outfit and second guy is holding a stuffed animal toy, are there representing those throwing a party that was to start /20/ minutes previously.
4. Yeah, I&#039;m pretty sure that I&#039;m calling authorities to be on the safe side.

While it was their choice to pick costumes a little judgment for a family friendly function might have been called for I would imagine. For an event you want to promote to the public, the Ubuntu satanic edition is not something that most people are aware of nor would they embrace the idea. (Not that a satanic priest would cause me to think of that distro, even being a part of the Ubuntu community myself)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.</p>
<p>1. Advertise party.<br />
2. Minor shows up.<br />
3. Only two guys, one in a satanic priest outfit and second guy is holding a stuffed animal toy, are there representing those throwing a party that was to start /20/ minutes previously.<br />
4. Yeah, I&#8217;m pretty sure that I&#8217;m calling authorities to be on the safe side.</p>
<p>While it was their choice to pick costumes a little judgment for a family friendly function might have been called for I would imagine. For an event you want to promote to the public, the Ubuntu satanic edition is not something that most people are aware of nor would they embrace the idea. (Not that a satanic priest would cause me to think of that distro, even being a part of the Ubuntu community myself)</p>
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		<title>By: pleia2</title>
		<link>http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=1345&#038;cpage=1#comment-908</link>
		<dc:creator>pleia2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Schalken As you can see from the wiki page that this kid signed up on, we encourage all ages. Last year we had people of all ages (from 2-70!)

There wasn’t a problem last year, even this year two other parents came with their kids and they didn&#039;t have a problem...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Schalken As you can see from the wiki page that this kid signed up on, we encourage all ages. Last year we had people of all ages (from 2-70!)</p>
<p>There wasn’t a problem last year, even this year two other parents came with their kids and they didn&#8217;t have a problem&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Schalken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Schalken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make sure you advertise the age group for your release parties, people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make sure you advertise the age group for your release parties, people!</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Bevilacqua</title>
		<link>http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=1345&#038;cpage=1#comment-905</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Bevilacqua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Milio We didn&#039;t specifically invite anyone, it was an open invitation and he signed up:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/EventsTeam/PhillyIntrepidRelease

I just think that people in the United States are way over paranoid, certainly moreso than in much of the rest of the world. There simply aren&#039;t statistics to back up these fears, just a lot of silly news programs that get good ratings from scaring people.

I&#039;m a little surprised at your &quot;creepy dudes&quot; assumption, both Jim and Randy are adult professionals and I&#039;d be reluctant to put them into a creepy category no matter what they&#039;re wearing. Plus there was a big Ubuntu banner, colorful signs for the tables, official CDs to hand out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Milio We didn&#8217;t specifically invite anyone, it was an open invitation and he signed up:</p>
<p><a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/EventsTeam/PhillyIntrepidRelease" rel="nofollow">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/EventsTeam/PhillyIntrepidRelease</a></p>
<p>I just think that people in the United States are way over paranoid, certainly moreso than in much of the rest of the world. There simply aren&#8217;t statistics to back up these fears, just a lot of silly news programs that get good ratings from scaring people.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a little surprised at your &#8220;creepy dudes&#8221; assumption, both Jim and Randy are adult professionals and I&#8217;d be reluctant to put them into a creepy category no matter what they&#8217;re wearing. Plus there was a big Ubuntu banner, colorful signs for the tables, official CDs to hand out&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RoboNuggie</title>
		<link>http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=1345&#038;cpage=1#comment-904</link>
		<dc:creator>RoboNuggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eeeek

I thought the culture of fear was just here in the UK, where photos and videos or school nativity plays are banned just in case a pervert is filming for other reasons, or that a single man walking a dog in the park will be asked to produce ID because &quot;single men should not be out where kids come to play&quot;...any many more silly incidents... 

Still, at least it went OK for everyone afterwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eeeek</p>
<p>I thought the culture of fear was just here in the UK, where photos and videos or school nativity plays are banned just in case a pervert is filming for other reasons, or that a single man walking a dog in the park will be asked to produce ID because &#8220;single men should not be out where kids come to play&#8221;&#8230;any many more silly incidents&#8230; </p>
<p>Still, at least it went OK for everyone afterwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Milio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Catch A Predator!

Invite 14 year old kid to a &quot;party&quot;. Party supposed to start at 3, but 20 minutes later there&#039;s only these two creepy dudes trying to chat up the 14 year old kid.

Yeaaah. And you&#039;re wondering why the parent was freaked out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Catch A Predator!</p>
<p>Invite 14 year old kid to a &#8220;party&#8221;. Party supposed to start at 3, but 20 minutes later there&#8217;s only these two creepy dudes trying to chat up the 14 year old kid.</p>
<p>Yeaaah. And you&#8217;re wondering why the parent was freaked out?</p>
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		<title>By: David A. Harding</title>
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		<dc:creator>David A. Harding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the simplest thing we can do to prevent similar happenings is to get people to show up on time.  Although I don&#039;t know how anyone could get a child-abuser vibe off Jim or Randy, I think a few more friendly faces would&#039;ve eased the mother&#039;s fears.

Less simple, but perhaps more effective, is for us to start connecting with the parents of young free software enthusiests.  I don&#039;t think making that connection is any harder than sending an email to the parents with a few links about our group.  One look at planet is probably enough to convince most parents that we&#039;re good people.

-Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the simplest thing we can do to prevent similar happenings is to get people to show up on time.  Although I don&#8217;t know how anyone could get a child-abuser vibe off Jim or Randy, I think a few more friendly faces would&#8217;ve eased the mother&#8217;s fears.</p>
<p>Less simple, but perhaps more effective, is for us to start connecting with the parents of young free software enthusiests.  I don&#8217;t think making that connection is any harder than sending an email to the parents with a few links about our group.  One look at planet is probably enough to convince most parents that we&#8217;re good people.</p>
<p>-Dave</p>
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